Episode 127: A Very Blasphemous Christmas: Virgin Births, Saturnian Myths, & How Not To Be a Nimrod

In this, our last episode of 2018, we decided to get into the holiday spirit to discuss the blasphemous and occult origins of Christmas.

How pagan of us.

First up: the Virgin Birth. Were there mythological precedents to the immaculate conception? Of course there were. And lots of them. In fact, the idea predates Christianity by a couple thousand years.

Next up: Saturn. Now you’re probably wondering what the ringed planet has to do with Christmas. Well, it turns out, quite a lot.

Saturn also seems to be in the news lately, as NASA just recently “warned” that the planet is losing its rings quicker than expected.

Then, of course, there’s the idea that someone, or some thing, is actually making the rings:

What makes this even more interesting, is that NASA scientists aren’t even sure how the rings were made, or even their age.

Or how the hexagonal cloud pattern is formed at its northern pole. Since Saturn has been associated with the six-pointed Star of David, as well as the black cube (which we know has six sides), the discovery by Voyager and, more recently, Cassini, makes one wonder what and how much the ancients actually knew.

This is one helluva’ coincidence, if it is, no pun intended.

It appears that the original Lord of the Rings still has a number of mysteries to be solved. BTW, we haven’t yet found a direct connection between Saturn and the name Sauron, the Dark Lord of J.R.R. Tolkien’s famous trilogy, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t one. Some of the parallels are striking, and it wouldn’t surprise us if Tolkien, or at least Peter Jackson, used some of the Saturnian myths, imagery, and stories as inspiration.

So, we’re going to travel back through the mists of time, to Roman and Greek mythology, and even as far back as the Babylonian and Mesopotamian myths, to try and explain how this Saturn/Christmas story evolved – which is all very synchronistic, since Saturn is also the Greek god of time, Cronus, or Chronos.


Saturn (Latin: Saturnus pronounced [saˈtʊr.nʊs]) is a god in ancient Roman religion, and a character in myth as a god of generation, dissolution, plenty, wealth, agriculture, periodic renewal and liberation. In later developments, he also came to be a god of time, identified with the Greek god Cronus (Kronus), who was the father of Zeus, and a sibling of the cyclops (one-eyed monster in greek myth).


But that’s only a very small part of the story. In December, he was celebrated at what is perhaps the most famous of the Roman festivals, the Saturnalia, a time of feasting, gift-giving and revelry or, more accurately, gluttonous overeating, drunken debauchery of the worst kind, and even human sacrifice.

Oh, joy to the world.

According to Varro, Saturn’s name was derived from satu, meaning “sowing”. Even though this etymology looks implausible on linguistic grounds (for the long quantity of the a in Sāturnus and also because of the epigraphically attested form Saeturnus), nevertheless it does reflect an original feature of the god.

 VarroDe lingua latina 5.64.

A more probable etymology connects the name with the Etruscan god Satre.

As is the case with the similarly named Roman Mars and Etruscan Maris: Erika Simon, “Gods in Harmony: The Etruscan Pantheon,” in The Religion of the Etruscans (University of Texas Press, 2006), p. 59.

Regardless of the word’s origin, the planet/god Saturn has had a number of names and associations throughout history – most notably, with the Babylonian figure Nimrod.

Much of this can get confusing, and an excellent summation for the “uninitiated” can be found from Alex Rivera’s article The Secrets of Saturn, which we highly recommend. (See more links at the bottom).

Now, for a deeper dive into the more esoteric elements of the Saturn myth, we’ll let Jordan Maxwell explain it from this lecture in 2002 (erroneously dated 2001):

Of course, what’s a good conspiracy without a David Icke interpretation:

Now, Icke bases much of his information on David Talbott’s The Saturn Myth, a summation of which can also be found here.

And, of course, how could we exclude Stanley Kubrick, whose work many claim is an expose’ of a hidden, dark Saturnian elite.

For more information on this, you can watch a seven-part interview with Saturn Death Cult author Troy McLachlan here:

And last, but certainly not least, is Jay Weidner’s take on all of this:

Make of all of this what you will, but the undeniable reality is that some thing, or some one, has been trying to hide this information for millennia. Research this topic and one inevitably hits a wall… come to think of it, much like the monolith in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Touch it at your own risk.

And Now For The Rest Of Your Links:

The Nicolaitanes, Nimrod, and Babylon

Saturn, Satan, and 666

The Saturn Thesis With David Talbott

Mystery Babylon: The Origins of Saturn

The Temple Saturn at Saturnus Mons

Wikibooks: The Saturnalia

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